
By Bob Dowling, Caijing editorial adviser
Americans are angry -- at least angry as they were after
the 9/11 terrorist attacks on
With each new disclosure, Americans fume at financial
executives who walked away with multimillion-dollar fees and bonus payments.
From those who profited by manufacturing and selling what are now nearly
worthless investments, they want accountability. But that may never
come.
Unlike the quickly identified 19 terrorists and the
al-Qaida camps that trained them, the perpetrators of the subprime crisis were
Americans working at many levels, from mortgage brokers in offices across the
country who issued faulty loans, to chief executives at Wall Street firms that
supplied capital and sales forces to repackage loans and sell them worldwide as
triple-A rated debt securities. Meanwhile, Washington regulators were sleeping
on the job, and leaders such former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who
did not want to burst the housing bubble, preached that subprime lending was a
good thing because it spread risk globally.
Americans know the names of the leaders who ran the large
Wall Street firms, from Citicorp and Bank of America, to Goldman Sachs and
Morgan Stanley. They also know that, like Greenspan, they were promoting
subprime securities and byproducts right up to the Great Collapse in the fall of
2008. They also know that many Washington politicians were cheering on the binge
and that many, such as U.S. Sen. Christopher Dodd and U.S. Rep. Barney Frank –
who are leading investigations of the crisis -- also benefited from large
campaign contributions from the same firms they’re now bailing out and
investigating. While this is not technically illegal in
All this means that investigations and bailouts to help
save the
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One of the earliest to see the danger ahead was
In a March 13 interview with Caijing, Morris explained
why he was driven to write about the crisis before others. At the time, he was
working with software that helped Wall Street firms package subprime debt. He
noticed a huge increase in activity, then rushed to complete his book in just
nine months. Today, the 70-year-old author remains deeply cautious about the
future, believing it will be years before the mess is cleaned up. He thinks
there is a 1 in 5 chance that the crisis will lead to a global depression.
Unlike Greenspan, who has called the crisis a “once-in-100-years event,” Morris
thinks it was a cyclical boom like many in the past that could have been stopped
by regulators in 2004. He fully blames Greenspan for arguing that an increase in
derivative securities would lower rather than raise risk. “It was crazy,” Morris
said.
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Caijing: What prompted you to write The
$1 Trillion Meltdown, and when did you begin?
Morris: I was president of a startup
company that produced big-ticket deal processing software for banks and
insurance companies. I could see the growth in demand for tools to assist in
securitization, and the growing importance of all forms of credit derivatives,
so it was a market I followed fairly closely. I’d also written a book (Money,
Greed and Risk, 1999) that traced a number of financial
crises.
Each time, there was a wonderful innovation that was
pushed too far until there was a sizeable crash. The crash stage was an
essential learning process for market participants and regulators before the
innovation got incorporated into daily practice.
A credit derivative crash should have happened about 2003
or so. Instead, it kept growing and
growing to ever-more alarming levels.
I started researching for a possible book in January of ’07, found it was
even more alarming than I thought, and did a handshake deal with the publisher
in March ’07. It was finished in
late November ’07 and shipped by the end of
January.
Caijing: You now have a sequel, The $2
Trillion Meltdown. Was that written mainly because your first estimate of the
cost was too low, or did your thinking about the crisis change as
well?
Morris: It was the scheduled paperback
version, a year after the hard cover. I made a number of updates throughout the
text, and it was clear that we needed to update the title as
well.
Caijing: Why were so many within
regulatory authorities and in the markets so unaware of what was
happening?
Morris: Alan Greenspan, for one, saw
clearly what was happening and thought it was for the best. The
The idea is that, in a perfect market, all risk will
migrate to the most suitable holder. And in heaven, that’s true. So he saw the
huge buildup in derivative exposures not as a cataclysmic increase in leverage,
but as a diminution of risk. It was crazy. He gave speeches in that vein and
argued expressly that regulating these things would only increase risk by
interfering with markets.
Caijing: How far along do you think the
Morris: They’ve hardly started. Throwing
money at the wall is actually sensible for the time being, to prevent a total
freeze-up. But that’s just
temporizing. There is at least another US$ 1 trillion in toxic assets on bank
balance sheets, and huge overhangs of misallocated resources. The damage cleanup
will take years.
Caijing: Is there still a risk of global
depression?
Morris: Yes. I’d say the risk is 1 in
5.
Caijing: How do you think the Obama
administration has handled the crisis so far?
Morris: It’s too soon to tell.
Certainly, Wall Street’s complaints that he hasn’t “fixed” it yet ring pretty
hollow. They’ve blown up the entire world economy, most of them still collecting
excessive pay and complaining that the firemen are taking too long and leaving a
mess.
Caijing: Some say the subprime crisis
can’t really be explained to the public because things like SIVs (structured
investment vehicles) and their uses are too arcane. Your
comment?
Morris: A lot of people, including the
press, aren’t willing to spend the time, because it’s less work to spin sound
bites.
Caijing: The American rating agencies --
Standard & Poor’s, Moody’s and Fitch -- assigned their highest AAA rating to
the subprime securities. They are now downgrading these same securities to junk
bond levels. What is your view of the value of the downgradings and the future
role of ratings agencies in the global financial
system?
Morris: The rating agency performance
was a disgrace. The ratings systems themselves make little sense once you look
behind the curtain. There is little correlation between the rating of different
classes of financial instruments and their risk of default – like marking on a
curve. Investors shouldn’t buy things that they can’t make a judgment on
themselves. Individual investors who can’t do that – which is most of us --
should stick with index funds.
Caijing: Most Asian nations and
Morris: I thought
Caijing: Many have urged
Morris: China needs open markets, (but)
not necessarily like ours. Above all, it needs regulation of
markets.
Caijing: Some officials such as former
Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and current Chairman Ben Bernanke have
cited a “global savings glut,” in part driven by China, as the culprit for the
crisis, meaning too much cheap money flooded into the U.S. Were there
alternatives to this condition?
Morris: Global savings were roughly flat
in the 2000s. China was not the culprit.
Caijing: Was this, as Greenspan argues,
a “once-in-100-years event,” or should individual blame be
assigned?
Morris: He may have helped make it one,
but a lot of people saw it coming.
Caijing: Americans who built their
retirement and personal savings with Wall Street investments appear outraged by
the wealth losses they have suffered and want individuals who created and
marketed the subprime securities identified and prosecuted. Do you think that
would be helpful, and do you think it is possible?
Morris: Many bad actors made this happen. Most of the bad things don’t fall within criminal law. Some of the little guys will get prosecuted, but the big guys at the top of the firms are smart. They have rigged the process to keep it from being illegal.